The Problem of Magnolia

Thought I'd post a few (or more than a few) thoughts on what's going to happen with Magnolia in the rewrite, to see if you guys like the new direction, etc.
A little bit of background first - I count Mags to be one of my newest characters in terms of the main cast, even if she does have a little edge on Merlin and the Parkers. The rest of the main cast had (for a value) a fairly solid grounding in the old fanfic series. They may have been a world away from who they turned into, but some spark of them was still there.
Magnolia...not so much. I created her to replace a character that had existed in the series (said character was a guy, and Jonesy's recruit, despite being a badass who wandered around with a katana). He belonged to another author, but I wanted a character to fill his shoes, so Mags was brought about, and I figured Taylor needed a recruit, to sort of even things out, so that's how she ended up with him. The old character had an online handle related to birds, so Mags became a bird girl, and because I figured I should include something Aussie, she became a magpie.
That's really all the grounding I had when I started, and I still feel like I never really gained much traction with her. I love chibi!Mags, about a hundred times more than grown-up Mags, and I've never really been able to get in to her head and make any significant advances - even Taylor let me in to his head, even if it's all "grr, grr, Magnolia <3, grr, I should clean a gun".
And then there's GE. Dear gods I hate that book. Someone said books are like kids and I shouldn't hate them, but consider GE the book I wish to lock under the stairs and starve. Nothing about it (other than the Angelpie sex scenes) really ended up being anything like what I wanted it to be, and it ended up being way too dark for really no reason.
That's the backstory, however, this is to talk about moving forward.
Part of the reason I have trouble with Mags is that she feels like half a character, that she has all of these disparate elements to her that make no sense when you add them all up. Some people are like that, and yeah, life experiences can massive change a person, but still, with how she's set up, it feels a little forced. So, I wanted to find a way to make everything fit, to change everything about her without really changing anything, if that makes sense.
[And please realise that due to this, the majority of GE will be scrapped, so don't worry about this new set up conflicting it.]
Point one that bugs me is the circumstances of her birth - with how Magpie ended up, it seems really out of character to fuck with Mags' dad like that, it was going to be part of something larger, didn't work, so her whole character starts with an OOC conception. And then there's her competing rebellious nature with how structured and ordered she likes things, how precise she is, how she memorises paperwork, etc.
And then there's the ongoing problem of how the Magpie Court doesn't really have any kind of steady income.
So then my brain went "hey idiot, cross the streams". In somewhat TL;DR fashion:
Magpie (dammit, I cannot stop typing magepie >_<) decided that her steady source of income will be from the manufacture and sale of slaves (perfectly legal, especially if you have someone like James write up all the lawyery stuff). Majority start off as eggs, so that they're hatched in their new owner's homes, and it's the only life they ever know. [And allows for those wanting to buy a child, rather than making one of their own, or adopting in any traditional way.]
The slaves aren't designed to be perfectly compliant, they're not mindless, just a little more...agreeable, they readily accept orders, etc. Mags is one of these slaves.
Where her dad comes in is that he was having a fling with a fairy woman (so he knows slightly more about the fae world than he currently does, but only slightly), and this woman was one of the couriers who would drive the trucks of waiting-to-hatch eggs to the slave markets. For some reason, her truck crashes, she dies, and Don finds out what she was smuggling. He finds the last unbroken egg and flees with Mags, then raises her when she hatches.
He gets some idea what she is, but not the extent of it. He basically spends all of her childhood teaching her how to argue back, and to make sure she's not being taken advantage of (people must act in accordance with rules, etc), which is why she lashes out at kids at school, when they try to bully her, because it's not something they're allowed to do. As in the current version, he keeps her away from the fae as much as possible, even when they move in to the Agency. Darren and Katie disagree, as they did in the current version, but accept tht it's his choice for his daughter.
Teenage rebellion comes because she wants/needs to know more about herself and the world, and she runs away, falling easily in to gangs and crappy jobs, because it's easier to operate when someone is giving her orders.
When Taylor recruits her, he figures out what she is pretty quickly positions himself as the only person she's to take orders from - as he can draw parallels with what she is, and his position at the Agency - not always having choice in what they do. In his own way, he basically points out that the idea of being a slave isn't as bad when you're being a slave to duty, as it's something worthwhile to dedicate yourself to.
Don't worry, I'm not really changing Taylor. Even in the current version, he believes that every bit of shit he's put her through was for her own good, making her stronger, etc, it's just highlighted a little more with this new situation.
So that's the basics...what do you think? I've had a couple of people tell me it's a little neat, too tidy, and explains too much of why she is the way she is, but to me it feels like a much stronger basis, and feels like she's finally rounded out as a character.
...to be noticed. :D
Reality is a formality.
i have to agree with those who say that it expalins too much about why Mags is the way she is, IF your planning to put it in all one book. but if a remember correctly your planning a series of books around Mags and the Magpie court so if it's spaced out i think it's fine.
I'm not crazy. I prefer the term 'reality impaired'
...Hate it. GE is one of my favorite books of yours. I love the mystery of Mag's birth, and the intimacy it brings being in her head with the mind fsck of abandoment of mother, single father raising strange bird child from one night stand aspects. The plan you have now makes me feel less interested in her. Bleh slave egg rescued by random man, who raises girl as his own /le sigh. Give me some meat! I want... abandoned child by queen mother with devoted dad on the sidelines not really understanding all aspects of his biological yet strangely wierd daughter. This way just seems like less emotional involvement for dad (being that they aren't really related), which to me, makes Mags more shallow. And do you plan on doing away with all the dramatic brother/prisoner-Mags scenes? Because I loved those too!
This new plan seems so plain jane vanilla ice cream. I want me some BlueMoonAlmondFlavoredTastesLikeFruitLoopsIceCream. (yes it's really blue ice cream.)
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...I like the slave egg idea. Just not for Mags
Impotence: Nature's Way Of Saying "No Hard Feelings".
... Here are some links to the ice cream I am talking about. The first is to the company that makes (here in Wisconsin) and the second is the ice cream shop in the town right over the border (Stillwater, Minnesota) that we get it at! Nelson's rules.
http://www.cedarcresticecream.com/products_blue_moon.html
http://heavytable.com/nelsons-ice-cream-in-stillwater/
Give me Nelson's Ice cream Stormy! Not Mc Donald's plain vanilla!
Impotence: Nature's Way Of Saying "No Hard Feelings".
...SOMEONE SHIFT ME TO THE US SO I CAN HAS SOME OF THIS ICE CREAM!
Reality is a formality.
...I think they ship world-wide. I am sure you could research! Also, the "child's size" at Nelson's is $3 US, and is the whopping heap you see the child hanging on to. I have to ask for half-sized, because they won't give you an extra cup. =P
Impotence: Nature's Way Of Saying "No Hard Feelings".
I love Mags the way she is now. I'll agree that the way she takes orders so seriously needs a bit of explaining, but that could be to do with a kidnapping by Magpie to get control or something, some brainwashing.
Grey Edge was awesome. I loved it. And now, Stormy, you will take it away? *sadface*
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.
I like the idea of the slave eggs as Magpie's source of income, but I also think that using it this way will weaken Magnolia's relationships to both Magpie and Don. I'm not sure Magpie would be quite as interested in a stray slave as she is in a daughter that she plans to use, and removing her from Mags' life would probably make her seem even more incomplete.
I'm also a bit concerned that in changing Maggie to be more consistent with Adult!Mags, you will lose what you like most about the character, and not necessarily end up liking the grown-up any more than you do now.
I do think the transition from Chibi!Mags to Taylor's Magnolia could use some explaining, and I had always assumed it was something a bit more dramatic than teenage rebellion. It would have to be something pretty awful to turn the sweet little girl into the killer she became, but I have complete faith in your ability to subject your characters to traumatic experiences.
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...that even as she is, she's consistent, she just displays different elements of herself as an adult than as a child (and chibi!Mags is just that much cuter!).
The transition, in canon at the moment isn't really as drastic as everyone is thinking, it's more just a culmination of a million little things.
Don refuses to let her interact with fae, or to learn more about the Magpies, he tries to keep her as human as possible, repeating over and over that he loves her, but emphasising her human side at all points (even if only unconsciously) because of a want for a normal daughter (because he equates "normal" with "happy") and it just builds and builds resentment in her because he won't let her explore who she is, and really wants to close off half of herself.
He's well-intentioned, but in a lot of ways, her rebellion is almost self-preservation, she doesn't want to lose who she is.
It's because of that that she falls in with the wrong crowd (because they're the only fae she comes across), and does dumb stuff out of a want to be expected.
I'm not sure Magpie would be quite as interested in a stray slave as she is in a daughter that she plans to use, and removing her from Mags' life would probably make her seem even more incomplete.
Magpie would be interested in her for different reasons if we went with this version - probably viewing her as leverage over the Agency.
Reality is a formality.
...this is what I am talking about. If you make Don refuse to accept Maggie's strangeness, it COMPLETELY changes everything. The reason why I can relate so much to Don and Maggie is the fact that even though Mags is weird, Don still accepts her and loves her anyways. If he starts refusing to acknowledge parts of her, you lose my interest as a reader because I can't relate. If you take away that acceptance, what is left to keep Mags sane? I think the outside world's refusal to accept her for what she is would be enough to make any sort of resentment Mags may have feasible. I NEEDS Don to accept Maggie as she is. Not deny intrinsic parts of her very soul.
Impotence: Nature's Way Of Saying "No Hard Feelings".
That would be the way it is now, before any proposed changes. At least, I believe so.
I'm a bit more hazy on things that haven't been written yet, as they have a tendency to change on me all the time.
It's as above - this is how it is in the current version, this is the baggage Mags is carrying around right now.
Don loves her, no mistake, but he's always tried to ignore the magpie part of her. He stayed as part of human society, rather than moving to fairyland precisely because of this. He tried to raise her human, to hide the fae part of her, and to just be "normal".
He's always seen the fae world as a dangerous thing, as something he went in to not understanding, and though he's gained understanding working for the Agency, he still has this separation of "fae for work" and "fae for Maggie", one's acceptable, one isn't. He never took her on jaunts into Fairyland, or tried to have her experience of that culture, and he did his best to stop anyone else from exposing her to more than necessary.
She always accepted this as normal as a kid, just the regular kind parental barriers, not the unreasonable restriction that it actually is. When she grew up a little and begun to understand that, she began to push back on the barriers a little more, and try to involve herself a bit more with the fae, which didn't make Don happy. He felt like it would be too dangerous, that she'd become someone else other than his little Maggie, that it wasn't who he'd raised her to be.
There were some fights and whatnot, and a couple of times he'd let slip things like "why can't you just be normal", or whatever, and that really started to build up in her, until he'd said it one time too many and she just left.
So yeah, there's the big mystery of Mags solved. Nothing big ever happened to change her from Maggie into violent!Magnolia, just a lifetime of little things slowly building up to a point where it could no longer be tolerated.
Reality is a formality.
Mags resents her father for rejecting her fae half, but her early encounters with Magpie make it clear that the Magpie Court isn't something she wants to be part of, so she's lost and angry...and then she meets Taylor. Yeah, that would do it...
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...she wants the fae without the magpie stuff, and Taylor lets her...well, makes her, embrace that. :D
Reality is a formality.
and THAT is a more interesting character than slave egg, imo.
(that said, you really want to fuck with current mags and taylor? They find the cold storage where Magpie was keeping a bunch of eggs for that very purpose, and she accidently warms up and wakes up one of them, which hatch. OMG, mags and taylor have a BABY???)
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It's your character, but I LIKE mag's current background. I LIKE how dark GE is. I don't see inconsistencies. The happiest and least downtrodden children generally make the biggest cynics, and the idea of obeying ANY orders seems inimical to mags as she stands.
I do like the slave egg idea, and one thing you could do is, if all the eggs are the queens, like a bee, some of the eggs could be injected with something to make them royalty, and her egg gets shot with that when it shouldn't have been? So at that time, the queen has interest in her as a princess, but not too much, since she wasn't supposed to be a princess? Just a thought.
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